From what I’ve seen so far you guys still recommend to get a TIN but only to get a bank account. I also read that you do not have to use a TIN or an SS number if you open a non-interested checking account. Though it may be harder to obtain a bank account is it not better not to have a TIN so the Trust cannot be tracked? For example I hear that it’s the number one way the IRS can find your checking account.. Basically, by tracking the TIN or SS number.
We appreciate that you are expressing your concerns and we appreciate your interest in the Natural Law Trust (NLT). However, you are obviously speaking from inexperience and basing your concerns on fear, rumors and hearsay which are totally inaccurate. Let us clear up the matter once and for all for you.
Your statement about a “non-interested checking account” is strange, because ALL checking accounts are non-interest bearing. We have never heard of a checking account that DOES pay interest. The only accounts that most banks have that are non-interest bearing are savings accounts. And even those require some kind of tax ID number.
Have you ever opened a bank account, savings or checking, interest bearing or otherwise, without an SSN or EIN – – some kind of IRS tax ID number? You see, it would be your experience that would prove or disprove the rumors you are hearing.
We base our trust procedures on experience – – three decades of it, and four or five decades if you include our mentors and teachers. That’s up to 50 years of direct experience, which to this day has overwhelmingly disproven your concerns.
The truth that you need to understand right now, very clearly, is that not once in these 50 years have ANY of us ever had a problem with the IRS with these trusts. A few people were stupid and foolish enough to run to an IRS agent and ask about their policies towards them, and of course were given the standard B.S. from their international crime syndicate bosses. But the vast majority, 99.9%, who kept quiet, have done just fine, thank you.
Hence our approach is to simply remain silent about them. We don’t ask and we don’t tell. They don’t ask and they pretend they don’t exist. If you are wise, you will simply learn from the successful experience of others and keep quiet about these trusts when it comes to accountants, attorneys, and IRS agents. Just keep quiet.
When an EIN is applied for, the only details furnished to the IRS are its name, that the trust is “irrevocable”, who is the “responsible party”, and the SSN of the responsible party. That’s it. The responsible party doesn’t have to be you. It can be anyone that you appoint. And besides, we have never heard, in 50 years, of ANY responsible party ever being made responsible for the taxes or liabilities of one of these NLTs.
By the above you can see that precious little information about the trust is given to the IRS. The IRS doesn’t know whether it is statutory or nonstatutory, so it merely assumes that it is statutory . . . but we don’t want to get into the argument with them by asserting that it isn’t. We just let them think what they want to think . . . and we keep quiet because we know our rights. You have to know your rights too.
You have the Supreme Court-confirmed right to enter into private contract without interference by the government, and without being compelled to disclose that contract’s private details, unless there is evidence that one of the signatories has committed a major crime – – a crime with a victim – – where harm was done. Absent of that, the government cannot compel anyone to disclose anything about the trust.
Nor have we ever heard of one of these NLTs being audited. It is impossible to audit something whose information is private, which has no filing requirements, and for all practical purposes is almost invisible. For all the IRS knows, this trust might be the private contract of someone connected to the Rockefeller family, or the Rothschilds, or some other elite family. They use them. So they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot by allowing their collection agency to go nosing around into these entities.
Yes, the name of the trust is in the government and banking databases. Yes, the bank account deposit amounts are visible to these databases. So what? That means nothing. It doesn’t mean they have any information from anywhere about what kind of trust it is (other than irrevocable). And it doesn’t mean they have any information from anywhere about who the real signatories are behind the trust.
And they have no right to ask, unless they get a court order, and the court order cannot be issued unless there is solid evidence of a real crime having been committed. Generally they won’t bother, because they risk upsetting some of their own elite people, if they accidentally stumble upon the discovery that elite family members are behind it. So they leave them alone. Our five decades of experience has proven this.
Do you understand? So stop worrying, and have some peace of mind that people with far more experience than you in these things have already long since proven the absence of such concerns. We would not be publishing our website, our eBook, and our webinars, if the problem you have imagined were a real one.